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[edit] ToDo List

Please add items (at the bottom) which are desired/necessary for the working of the Mediawiki software. Thanks!

  • Ticker script for current events on main page
  • Twitter feed for hashtags (#OWS, #OccupyWallSt, #OccupyWallStreet)
    • Widget:Twitter_Search plz
  • Fix the logo graphic, site colour set [Need web deisgner/graphics volunteer - pending]
  • Templates
    • Create update-able randomizing image template
    • ditto mediaplayer template
    • Create a pretty occupations template to subst:
  • Write a new Widget:Identi.ca to use Status.net API on any status.net server
  • Figure out why mw:Extension:Javascript Slideshow is broken. WON'T FIX
  • Replace the search modules ala WMF projects.
  • Set up auto archiving bot
  • Modify the captcha to only be for anons, user registration.
  • Send brownies to 149 New Montgomery St, 3rd floor, SF, CA 94105
  • La Frenz Muscat, Sumac Ridge White Pinnacle, Blue Mt Brut
  • populate occupations
  • Create local version of wikinews:en:Template:Howdy; remember the common.js

[edit] Possible interest in wiki at occupytogether.com

There might be interest. See:

[edit] MERGE WIKIS

Hi Amgine, Kizmut. Would you be interested in merging with occupythiswiki.org? We seem to represent toronto and santa barbara. We use media wiki which i prefer, but we dont have maps which may or may not be a drawback. Mediawiki is working on editable svgs and when that comes out I think it will be preferable to maps. Bensaccount 23:46, 7 November 2011 (CET)

[edit] Note to self:

    php maintenance/install.php --dbtype=mysql          \
       --dbuser=DBUSER --dbpass=DBPASS                 \
       --installdbuser=root --installdbpass=DBROOTPASS \
       --pass=WIKIADMINPASS OccupyWiki WikiAdminName

[edit] Need to welcome newcomers

Do you want to make a template that welcomes them and tells them to edit? Bensaccount 00:51, 12 November 2011 (CET)

[edit] Occupy Vancouver

Hi Amgine, at occupy toronto we are considering moving our wiki to a "groups" type platform hosted directly on the occto website.

Wondering what the occupy vancouver website is going to do. Is there a link to this wiki from there? Is there much interest in a living document in occupy vancouver? Bensaccount 00:05, 14 November 2011 (CET)

The Occupy Vancouver website is in a bit of limbo, as the original web team turned it over to the occupation team after some disagreements between people (as I understand things from 4th and 5th hand.) I have not seen much if any updating of the site since.
I can probably assist you with the move to a different platform. We are about to bring the wiki farm to life, early part of this week, which is taking most of my attention at the moment. But if there is anything I can do to help/advice I can offer, just ask. - Amgine / talk 00:10, 14 November 2011 (CET)
Ok thanks; Migration is not definite yet. Still need to test out the groups wiki plugin. A big thing to consider would be collaboration with other occupy movements such as occupy vancouver. Issues will likely be similar so having 1 wiki would reduce redundancy. Bensaccount 00:40, 14 November 2011 (CET)
The wiki farm will go live in the next few days. We will probably start merging some wikis who want to merge at the same time. - Amgine / talk 00:43, 14 November 2011 (CET)

[edit] Test flv stream

The media player is loading...

[edit] Image upload request

Hi Amgine,

I saw your instructions at 99wiki:Upload. Would it be possible to upload logoA150.png to File:OVN_logo.png? I don't think they'll allow it on Commons. It's another image for won:Open Voting Network. It's just a higher quality version of the one posted on the NYCGA site. ~Michael Allan 06:58, 2 January 2012 (CET)

PS, thank you. I filled in Template:Information for my other image too, File:OVN_authority.png. ~Michael Allan 03:55, 3 January 2012 (CET)

If I could trouble you to upload another image. I was asked about the internal scope of the network, so I drew something. Could you please upload ovn.png to File:OVN_overview.png? I'll fill in the info template after. ~Michael Allan 10:42, 3 January 2012 (CET)

Done. Thanks again. ~Michael Allan 16:52, 6 January 2012 (CET)

[edit] Category links

Yes, I just found that too, in the help pages. By the way, thanks for the welcome note the other day. It feels good to get a little pat on the head once in a while. -- Lj 23:03, 29 January 2012 (CET)

Testing an external link to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/euphemism ( Amgine / talk 01:49, 26 February 2012 (CET) )
More external link testing: http://kizmut.com/paste/?show=m7f824b9d

[edit] Refs

I'm not particularly keen on <ref></ref> either, it clutters the markup so badly. I'm actually OK with just using superscripts for now. I realised something the other day: there's actually no reason why the footnote numbers have to be in ascending order in the text. If you just put in superscripts, they tend to end up in chronological order: you put in 1 first, then 2 ... then somebody might go edit up near the top of the article and put a 3 there, but is that really so bad? It kind of traces the development of the wiki page. I think it's kind of neat, "wiki-ish"

Nice talking to you again. Lj 21:49, 13 March 2012 (CET)

[edit] admin

I need admin rights and will need the right to confer admin to others. Occupy Toronto is the most active part of this wiki. If someone from occto is not admin we will have problem. Bensaccount 00:12, 29 March 2012 (CEST)


[edit] calendar

Can we get some kind of editable wiki calendar installed? Bensaccount 15:52, 6 May 2012 (CEST) It seems like the Google widget isn't editable though. Is it?Bensaccount 16:38, 6 May 2012 (CEST)


What about one of these? (the first one) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar. Bensaccount 16:41, 6 May 2012 (CEST)

Ok then how about the way wikipedia does it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Birthday_Committee/Calendar Bensaccount 17:20, 6 May 2012 (CEST)

Yep that works Calendar test Bensaccount 17:43, 6 May 2012 (CEST)

[edit] Bizarre authoritarianism

You evidently have some confused beliefs. There is nothing wrong with smug pro-trolling trolls as an observation of how to deal with challenging users. You are falling victim to exactly the mindset that the article warns against, thinking that blocks or bans are the way to deal with persons who have alternative approaches (than blocking or banning) to challenging views. You are going to kill this wiki dead if you behave that way. You should look at other observations made from this IP and determine whether they constitute "spamming" or are valid.

You seem to abuse your authority at project. as well. This censorship of an entirely valid option, adopting common best practices across Occupy wikis to make page copying and merging easier is totally unjustifiable. You should probably resign from any Occupy project.

Petty minded persons like yourself nearly destroyed Wikipedia from 2002-2005 before the ArbCom was instituted to curtail such silly abuses.

Project is a project site for the OccupyMediawiki Group; it is assumed that editors are familiar with the software they are working on. It is certainly not a space to discuss IRC channels.
The 99 wiki is one of many wikis hosted by the OccupyMediawiki Group. The local community determines the content of this wiki, as on all our hosted wikis. Our only input is to ensure the wiki is not a spam farm, and is a social protest related site or project. - Amgine / talk 23:50, 24 May 2012 (CEST)
Thank you for a polite response, and for not pre-emptively preventing this response to it. I withdraw my "should resign" comment for now, although I note (if you are the same Amgine as at Wiktionary etc.) [1] that you know you have sometimes acted with too much prejudice [2] making a small thing something bigger than it needed to be. That was exactly the point smug pro-trolling trolls made, that there are better responses especially on small wikis. Your reaction shows that some advice on this from cooler heads is still required. Even if "editors are familiar with the software" the administrators themselves seem to need some suggestions on alternate ways to respond to social challenges.
Regarding guidance on using the software itself, new users always need some kind of guidance on how to use edit summaries and they certainly learn faster if a specific best practice is linked from within every summary so they can go look it up. It's evident from looking at the namespace of all the Occupy wikis that they are still somewhat inconsistent and could use this advice. There are not a lot of pages involved, the nice short list at DoWire [3] is good enough (although unfortunately it gets spammed a lot). A reasonable solution to this is to copy the dowire.org list so that there is no risk of anyone following a spammed link from their main best practice page, and use only references from lsb which has adequate spam protection.
IRC is part of how Occupy works, and the OccupOL page used the word "trolls" as if it had some objective meaning, rather than being an exclusionary and inherently pro-authority term. As Occupy uses a progressive stack [4] and facilitators for consensus decision making, it's entirely inappropriate to permit any administrator to act as or "for" a so-called "local community". You usurped that "local" function and especially badly by hiding this reasonable suggestion from sight. If you need to remove a particular link, a reasonable solution is to replace it with an [editor's note:] that indicates why it was removed.
While dowire.org and let.sysops.be get spammed occassionally, like all public wikis, they are hardly willing hosts for it, they are not commercially motivated projects, and links to them are not the same as links to domainer portfolios, and treating them as such is absurd. If you are to ban all links to all wikis where any page gets regularly spammed, you won't have a lot of links. But if that's policy, say so, and it's easy enough to restrict out-links to wikis with a minimum spam protection. Such a policy should be clearly advertised in the "please note" with each edit.
Nor is there any attempt to establish any particular authority for the lists linked. The DoWire and lsb lists are just the most practice-oriented lists compiled by actual mediawiki users with a lot of experience using mediawiki in contentious applications. For those just setting up, the beginner level explanations for commercial users of the proprietary Confluence wiki, management level stuff from Oracle, classroom guidelines from pbworks, Wikia advice for newbie moderators, Wikipedia guidelines for an encyclopedia, a slideshow for educators using wikis and a project team explanation, may all be of interest. However, they are generally for managers and funders and not actual grassroots users. DoWire [5] and lsb [6] name each practice with a simple, short, linkable verb phrase that can be used in an edit summary to tell other users exactly what best practice is being enforced with that edit. That in turn would let Occupy mediawikis start to train users to cooperate better, without the coercion inherent in forcing mergers, which was

the point of the original suggestion. The other pages simply filled in that argument to demonstrate, and to respond to that with blocking is an abuse of authority.

So I will ask, once, for you to kindly unblock this IP on all occupymediawiki.org wikis and I will be sensitive to check carefully whether links from a particular wiki page have been recently spammed, and avoid linking them in favour of links which are better protected against it. I really don't want to raise simple misunderstandings like this at a General Assembly, as I generally support your hosting effort here, and I do think these wikis could, should and must be better coordinated.

[edit] Table

I am stuck on how to put a multiline list in one cell (what I have sort of works, but clearly its not right. eg:

  • Cities
  • Politics
  • Technology
  • Environmental issues
  • People
  • Organized action

--MmBot (talk) 01:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WON navbar

Works for me.. must be your fairy wifi. — kizmutT/C 08:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Test new section

Just wanna be sure Asirra isn't requiring everyone to captcha. - Amgine / talk 20:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)